Blood for the Baron!

The practical upshot is that my timelines, as they exist now, do not include the continuations of the Marvel US-based storyline. I would need to do a bit of "research" to catch up..."street dates" for issues and so on.

Thanks for your answers fellas. I'm really interested in all this stuff.

Thanks for bumping the 'retconning and "fixing"' thread pilot

( http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/phpBB2/ ... .php?t=225 )

Viperlord's idea that ironblood allies himself with cobra etc kind of works for me - but I think it might have been more calculated on Ironblood's part than just to escape from the UN's hunt for 'world enemy #1' probably part of some elaborate scheme on his part to maximise his power maybe he saw himself taking over cobra, getting a big pay out from the UN and ditching the shads who where forever failing him! Maybe he's still lurking in the background as we speak ready to take over cobra...

Having the organisations (cobra and the shads) interacting over some time explains why all the equipment and stuff gets mixed up and why AF aren't so dumb (see this post http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/phpBB2/ ... .php?t=304 - "just how dumb are action force?")

Ditching the dates so all the characters are not in their sixties also makes sense!!

As good an excuse as any to repost my timelines. I combined both into one document file (but have not actually merged the storylines!) to make things a little easier on myself.

I may try to delve into the cartoon TV series too...if only to include the BEST stories from them (ones that don't conflict too much with the existing storylines). Granted, there aren't that many of them.

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The following timeline is not meant to be all inclusive. Event dates are based on the “street” date of the comic rather than the “cover” date, except when it conflicts directly with story content.

MILESTONES IN THE CONTINUITY OF G. I. JOE

MARCH 1982: Cobra's abduction of Adele Burkhart leads to the Joe Team's first mission against Cobra.
MAY '82: Cobra nearly succeeds in uncovering the location of Joe HQ at Fort Wadsworth.
SEPTEMBER '82: The Joes and the October Guard clash with Cobra in Afganistan.
APRIL '83: A group of Joes are captured by Cobra and are sent to--and escape from--Springfield.
JUNE '83: The Joes are sent to Sierra Gordo for the first time.
OCTOBER '83: Cobra attacks Washington D.C. and soon thereafter, Joe HQ. Deaths of General Flagg, Kwinn, Scar-Face, and Dr. Venom. [Events parallel the first TV miniseries.]
JANUARY '84: Snake-Eyes raids the Silent Castle (to rescue Scarlett).
MAY '84: Cobra Commander is captured in Europe, which leads to his escape from custody in the Rocky Mountains and the subsequent battle in Florida. At the same time as the fracas in the Florida swamps, Storm Shadow, Snake-Eyes and the Soft Master struggle in New York City. [Events parallel the second TV miniseries.] Continuity note: the fight in Florida and its aftermath takes up five issues, even though the story is less than a week overall. Cobra raids McGuire AFB just days after the end of the action down south--although the cover date suggests a September release, we have to assume it happened in May or June.
DECEMBER '84: The Billy Plot within Cobra (to assassinate Cobra Commander) occurs. At the same time, the rebuilt Joe HQ becomes fully operational, and the eight original Joes are promoted.
MARCH '85: Another battle in the Gulf of Mexico takes place, and the Joes' aircraft carrier USS Flagg begins operations.
MAY '85: Storm Shadow and Billy escape from Springfield, as the Joes return to Sierra Gordo on a mission to rescue Adele Burkhart (again).
JULY '85: Cobra Island is formed and Cobra becomes a legal "nation".
SEPTEMBER '85: The first season of the TV show begins its run.
OCTOBER '85: Wade Collins (a.k.a. Fred Broca II) confronts Stalker and Snake-Eyes in Washington; in a separate incident, Firefly and Scrap Iron kill the Soft Master and Candy Appel--Billy is also a victim of the incident but survives.
NOVEMBER '85: Rip-Cord, Storm Shadow and Snake-Eyes infiltrate Cobra Island; Storm Shadow is mortally wounded in the raid (but brought back to life as a consquence of later events). Hawk is promoted to Brigadier General as a result of General Austin's medical retirement. Zartan briefly takes Rip-Cord's identity in order to infiltrate Joe HQ, but he is stopped and made prisoner there.
JANUARY '86: Cobra and October Guard battle in Afganistan again.
APRIL '86: Cobra scientists led by Dr. Mindbender succeed in creating Serpentor. [Events parallel the miniseries premiere of the second season of the TV show.] At about that time, the Joes assault Springfield and Serpentor leads an evacuation of the Cobra base there. In addition, a Joe unit raids Libya to steal a new Russian fighter jet under the cover of a USAF bombing.
JUNE '86: Zartan breaks out of Joe HQ, and Cobra responds by launching a full scale raid on it, destroying it. Cobra Commander and Destro are separated from the Cobra forces in the process, and decide to desert their own army (for the time being). Storm Shadow returns to life in the ruins of Springfield and makes his last break from Cobra, defecting to the Joes.
SEPTEMBER '86: The second season of the TV show begins its run. A Luftwaffe long-range bomber loaded with nerve gas is rediscovered in Greenland and neutralized by the Joes.
DECEMBER '86: The Joes seize a Cobra Terrordrome in Sierra Gordo. At the same time, Scarlett and Storm Shadow rescue Snake-Eyes (who had been taken captive in Sierra Gordo) from the Cobra Consulate in New York.
JANUARY '87: The Joes help Destro reclaim his Castle from Major Bludd. The October Guard and a squad of Joes clash in southeast Asia.
FEBRUARY '87: Cobra Commander and Billy reunite. Rashid the guerrilla boy meets Joes Dusty and Mainframe (he returns in the Destro Trilogy).
MARCH '87: Introductions of new characters (including Lt. Falcon) parallel events in G. I. Joe the Movie, which was to be shown in theaters but in fact only saw home video release.
APRIL '87: Fred VII usurps Cobra Commander and Serpentor; Joes are captured in Borovia. The Joes establish the new HQ in the Utah desert.
JUNE '87: The Joe ninjas go to Borovia to rescue their comrades. The Cobra Consulate is raided by Sierra Gordo terrorists, who are patsies for a Joe team infiltration.
OCTOBER '87: The Frusenland fiasco; Destro establishes his Iron Grenadier private army. A Joe mission to intercept a C.I.A. defector goes awry.
NOVEMBER '87: The October Guard tries to abduct Cobra Commander [Fred VII] on Cobra Island. Three Russian soldiers become Joes for a day in a raid in Iran.
JANUARY '88: The Joes restore an African prince to his throne--with unexpected circumstances.
MARCH '88: The Joe women participate in defusing a hostage drama in Germany.
APRIL '88: The Cobra Island War between Fred VII and Serpentor; Serpentor is killed by Zartan.
MAY '88: Firefly tries to steal a Joe fighter jet but is caught and captured.
SUMMER '88: Joes face disbanding but are vindicated by Adele Burkhart and Destro. A squad of Joes treks to the Himalayas and from there to Vietnam. Another group of Joes, including some new recruits, fight a tragic battle in Trucial Abyssmia.
SEPTEMBER '88: The Joes make an armed air reconaissance of Cobra Island and discover a mass evacuation.
OCTOBER '88: A Cobra unit takes over a Silicon Valley factory and a Joe squad is sent in against them.
WINTER '88: Zartan attempts to assassinate Storm Shadow and Jinx in San Francisco. The Joes and the October Guard team up to stop Cobra from planting Terrordromes in the Arctic.
APRIL '89: Cobra assaults Castle Destro and loses. Destro takes full command of Cobra. The introductions of Tiger Force, Python Patrol and new characters in following comics parallel the events of the fifth TV miniseries (Operation Dragonfire).
SUMMER '89: Cobra begins operations from Broca Beach. Zartan kills the Blind Master; many October Guard characters die in Sierra Gordo.
FALL '89: The Snake-Eyes Trilogy and the fight/fire at the Cobra Consulate.
WINTER '89/'90: The Return of Cobra Commander...he seizes Cobra from Fred VII and kills him along with many other cronies of Fred's.
SPRING '90: Snake-Eyes returns to Borovia. The debacle at Sierra Gordo continues.
FALL '90: The third season of the TV series begins airing. Snake-Eyes and Scarlett reunite. A "Desert Shield" deployment goes haywire, and leads to--
WINTER '90/'91: War in the Desert.
JUNE '91: The Destro Trilogy, which soon degenerates into...
[FALL '91: The fourth season of the TV series begins airing.]
WINTER '91/'92: ...Ninja war at the Silent Castle.
SPRING '92: Three-Front battle: Broca Beach, Cobra Island, and Silent Castle!
SUMMER '92: Firefly's return and his takeover of the Cobra ninjas. Chaos in Borovia again.
FALL '92: Cobra strikes at Joe HQ! Snake-Eyes and Firefly battle on Cobra Island. Continuity Note: except for #119 and #126 (which are self-contained stories) issues 116 thru 131 happen in a very short time frame--probably less than 4 months!
SPRING '93: Scarlett "defects" to Cobra...and the Joes take Cobra Island for good.
SUMMER '93: Transformers Generation 2 crossover as Megatron and Cobra join forces.
WINTER '93/'94: Cobra's fortunes change, and Destro and Zartan are both forced back into Cobra. Destro kills Darklon in Wolfekuckkuckland.
SPRING '94: Star Brigade handles an Armageddon-esque space crisis as Cobra invades Wolfekuckkuckland.
SUMMER '94: The ultimate combat--Cobra Commander versus Snake-Eyes!
FALL '94: Joe HQ is closed and the Joe Team is disbanded.

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MILESTONES IN THE CONTINUITY OF BATTLE ACTION FORCE AND MARVEL ACTION FORCE

CIRCA 1978: Karl Vagan is thwarted in his attempted takeover of Space Station Alpha by "Sky Raider" Connors.
CIRCA 1979: The Red Shadows emerge as a global threat and the first Action Force units are raised in response. The Black Major defects to Ironblood's side.
APRIL 1982: The Falkland Islands War. Baron Ironblood takes advantage of the chaos to seize the nearby Ascendency Islands as a gambit for a trap against Action Force. The Action Force is sent in and reconquers Ascendency, ultimately using it as an advance base against the Red Shadows.
LATER SPRING '82: Ironblood's Revenge--a multi-theater offensive against all four Action Force commands.
SUMMER '82/WINTER '82/'83: Operation Bloodhound, a large-scale SAS campaign against Ironblood's forces in South America.
SUMMER '82: The Q Force uncovers the Red Shadow Navy's Sea Fury battleship and destroys it. The Duna War between Z Force and the Ghibli movement begins and takes several months.
FALL '82: The Red Shadows raid Norway and Tawaichu.
WINTER '82/'83: Z Force goes up against the Mamba Men terror army in Natanga. At the same time, SAS Force stumbles upon Ironblood's Austrian HQ during a training exercize.
SPRING '83: Q Force field trials of a new sub are undermined by a Red Shadows terror raid; Z Force recovers a lost spy satellite in Malaysia; SAS Force finds and destroys a Red Shadows base in Canada.
SUMMER '83: Ironblood continues to launch terror operations in Africa and South America--and is almost captured in Africa.
WINTER '83: SAS Force endures a Red Shadows invasion of Scotland. Z Force holds off an invasion of a Pacific Ocean atoll. A Space Force pilot is forced to go rogue in order to uncover a Shadows base on Luna.
SPRING '84: The SAS pilot Blades finds a major Red Shadows operation in Australia.
JULY '84: Blood Day--after four major acts of terrorism including a strike on the UN Headquarters in New York, the UN makes Baron Ironblood "World Enemy #1" and passes a resolution merging the Action Force commands with the American Joe Team. Raids against Red Shadow bases all over the world are accomplished. Baron Ironblood goes underground...and Cobra begins to pick up the pieces of the Red Shadows' action.
WINTER '84/'85: The Black Major, Red Laser, and Red Vulture gather the remaining Red Shadows and declare their emnity against Cobra. They take advantage of an Action Force operation against Cobra and try to assassinate Cobra Commander. Towards the end of Winter, Cobra seizes London and there is a bloody battle involving both Action Force and the regular British military to retake the city. Afterwards, ActFor sets up a base underneath the city and the British government appoints Trent as ActFor/MoD liasion.
SPRING '85: SAS Force accomplishes Operation Stubborn in Arabia...and then goes up against a cabal of former Nazis and Red Shadows in South America. The London branch of ActFor foils a delivery of armaments to the city. Soon thereafter, they stop at least two Cobra terror bombings of European capitals. In response, Destro and Farouk stage an elaborate ruse which goads the British government into curtailing ActFor's activities there for two months.
SUMMER '85: Z Force is in action in India against Cobra. A Cobra unit in China revolts against Cobra command and is put down by both Cobra and ActFor. From about this time on, The Black Major leads sporadic Red Shadow assaults against both Cobra and Action Force.
FALL '85: Destro and the Dreadnoks raid a weapons plant in Stonesbury.
WINTER '85: Farouk turns against Destro and tries to kill him; Destro survives and takes his revenge. Some time later, the Crimson Twins infiltrate ActFor's London station.
SPRING '86: Trent is killed trying to rescue his daughter from the Dreadnoks. ActFor campaigns on two Middle East fronts against Cobra. Around this time was the last known incident involving the Black Major and the Red Shadows.
SUMMER '86: ActFor rescues the crew of a crashed Stealth Bomber in Indonesia.
WINTER '86: Flint captures Destro in Greenland and brings him to the London station. Within days Cobra sends a major strike force to "Blitz" the city and Destro makes his escape.

jamarmiller wrote:
that is the one thing they did changed, to keep joe timeless they change " Vietnam" to "South east asian conflict"

with the chronolgical listing of major events/milestones in the AF/Joe Continuity anyone got ideas on how you can do it yet still make the joes timeless?

I'm thinking of producing some webpages for all this stuff, just because I think it would be cool to have a quasi-official place that documents this combined continuity. I'm thinking of writing it like it's a dossier some investigative reporter has compiled on events kept from the public - of course I wouldn't claim credit for it - frustrated pilot's done a big chunk of the work!

The idea is that it would include a load of links and encourage folk to read the stuff on bloodforthebaron and discuss the ideas on this forum...

Oh and in case you haven't spotted it I've bumped this old thread that seems relevant:

http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/phpBB2/ ... .php?t=620

That is a great idea, would it be easier to do it in a family tree style?

A family tree might work though I'd have to rethink how I present the info.

At the moment I've put this chronological listing into a database (MS Access) that I can use to just churn out the web pages once I've got a template for the page design.

The idea I was working on would be a page for each year with the events listed on the left hand side and then some notes & links on the right...

...so for example there'd be a page for CIRCA 1978 -

the event would be: "Karl Vagan is thwarted in his attempted takeover of Space Station Alpha"

...and then the notes would have conjecture about whether this was the baron, link to the story, ironbloods file from the '85 annual and maybe include a picture.

I was going to make it look like some old typed files with hand written notes along side them.

Anyway if we ditch the actual dates I was toying with using "circa 15 years ago, 10 years ago, etc... as headings for each page and a way of navigating through it. This doesn't quite make things 'timeless' though.

What I'm trying to do is not let it end up being a bit dull with 'event #1, 2, 3, etc... hence this fictional reporters notes/conspiracy files type approach

I would love to see what you are proposing to do and I would love to see it a part of this site it sounds very very cool

I would definately go with NO DATES and keep it timeless.

so the circa 10 years ago and what not sounds really good to me or you could go with YEAR ONE and forward with PRE YEAR ONE for anything that would happen before that , that would need to be mentioned

again be very cool if it was done and definately be awesome to have as a part of this site!

OK my first attempt at these web pages is ready to view:

http://www.geocities.com/bartanicus/index.html

WARNING IT LOOKS PANTS ON FIREFOX!!! I will try and sort out this clitch

the content needs tweaking and I should check with the folk whose pictures I have used if its ok..

let me know what you think, any clitches suggestions for content, etc...