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This earlier post has got me thinking (it has spoilers in it so be warned!):

http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/phpBB2/ ... .php?t=794

Seemed a shame the guy who started it gave up on the idea partly because the devils due stuff wasn't staying true to the original joe stuff. I thought this quote from a Larry Hama interview on Yo Joe was apt:
Have you read any of America's Elite over the past 2 years as a point of research for the stories you want to tell?

LH: Not a lot. I don't read a lot of comics, and I never have. I had never read any of the Wolverine material when I was asked to write that title. I asked the editor to sift through the chaff and just give me what were the essentials, so it was a short stack. Mostly Claremont, Miller and Barry Smith. I figured they were the best, so treated their stories as the canon and pretty much ignored the rest. That's how I work with Devil's Due. I say, "send me over the stuff that counts." What's the point of sticking to continuity if part of the continuity doesn't cut it? Sometimes I would write a Wolverine story and the editor (or one of X-Boys in the office) would point out that some writer so-and-so had written a story in the Giant Man-Thing Annual that contradicted my plot line, and I would go look up the story, and if it was totally ass-kicking, I'd change mine, but if it totally bit it, I would say, "but it is major sucky! Let's lose this office copy and pretend it never happened!" Characters get better if creative juices are let to flow freely. Stick to the canon but sweep the mistakes out the door.
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I think the beauty of these alternate worlds is imagination - the comic/cartoon/audio story/etc none of them is a definitve account of what happened or is happening in the joe universe they're just starting points - how many games did you play as a kid that followed "the rules" laid out in the comic? I know I didn't - my figure that drove the SAS Panther had his own codename and was a kind of cross between red jackyl and storm shadow so what if the data card said he was stalker!

I think some kind of broadly agreed timeline linking the AF and joes would be really cool. What seaneley outlined in the post that started this feels like a good starting point for me, for example the idea that Red Jackal could not be the real Destro really appeals to me - maybe the guys who created Jackyl worked for MARS and based the face mask on their boss?! Having a common timeline would be cool as a starting point for folk to write stories that fill in the gaps, create their own characters, etc - but it doesn't have to remain completely fixed like mr Hama says "Stick to the canon but sweep the mistakes out the door."

What do others think?

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ya seaneley was a lot of fun when he was here and had a lot of energy it was his post that I read that inspired me to get the comics coloring project started and since then he hasnt been back at all. Shame really

we have all e-mailed him many times too but he just seems to have dropped off the face of the earth as far as Joe goes

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Ectually, I believe you blokes are talking about me.

There really wasn't all that much to add to the timeline(s) I had written. But yeah, I was pretty disgusted with Devil's Due...and with Hasbro for that matter.
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Yep frustrated.. twas you - I figured you'd stopped posting!

I like the '78 - '86 timeline you suggest - as a younster though the link between the shads and cobra in World Enemy #1 really appealed to me, that link was one of the things that kept me reading the marvel stuff. So seaneley's suggestion to move things back keeps this link - but then the falklands war tie-in doesn't work!

Someone convince me ironblood isn't Cobra Commander!

I didn't understand the "Karl Veder is Baron Ironblood" debate they go into in the original post - can someone explain?
I consider the Action Force to be an international alliance to which the Joes, Z Force, Q Force, SAS Force, Space Force and so on are member entities.
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I've always thought this too!

How major are the contradictions in the Devils due stuff? And another thought how old would all the characters be now!?!

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Agewise I don't think there'd be any difference. As far as I know Devil's Due follow on directly from Marvel, but toherwise there are really no landmarks or events to date the Action Force stories, they could easily be current.

Karl Vagan was the villain from a Space Force story:

http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/Blood/Sky%20Raider.html

Maybe that's him? I don't know about Karl Veder!

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barto wrote: How major are the contradictions in the Devils due stuff? And another thought how old would all the characters be now!?!
As for Devil's Due, they started a new series that basically rebooted the whole concept. I don't know if the current comics follow the reboot continuity or the older, Marvel US-based one.

One problem I have with the Joes is how many of them were Vietnam War veterans (including Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, Stalker and a few others). Using the canon idea that all these were older than 18 at the time of Tet (1968) that means that all of them would be elegible for mandatory retirement by 2010.

More to come...chow time for me. Watch this space.
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the Devils Due Comics are a direct continuation of the Marvel US GI JOE Comics. They dont reboot anything, it continues right where marvel left off with FRONT LINES the missiont that never was, and then there is a hiatus and then reinstatement several years later.

Old threads are picked up and all and references are made all the time

even the red shadows story line actually makes reference to the OLD shadows when it says Vaughn was investigating them way back and then dissapeared. This is why he probally would make a perfect Black Major as his story could easily be PUT TOGETHER with the Black Majors

I definately encourage everyone who hasnt read THE RED SHADOWS Trade Paper Back to buy it and read it. Support it and maybe well get more!

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FrustratedPilot wrote:
barto wrote:
One problem I have with the Joes is how many of them were Vietnam War veterans (including Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, Stalker and a few others). .
that is the one thing they did changed, to keep joe timeless they change " Vietnam" to "South east asian conflict"

because ya your right they would be way to old hahaha

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The Baron wrote:I don't know about Karl Veder!
You're right, Baron--I meant "Vagan". I was working without a net there.

I thought "Reloaded" was a new continuity...at least, that's what I remember hearing once it debuted (about the time I threw in my towel--it was because of "Reloaded" that I gave up). I was afraid that continuity had taken over. I guess the fans were stronger than the studio bosses on that issue (no pun intended).

Plot bunnies are awful hard to herd. :p
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oh okay I see what you are saying.

DDP has always had the main comic as the main continuity but it has had the alternate universes too

as mentioned they had

Reloaded

they also had

sigma six

and GI JOE vs TRANSFORMERS but those are all alternate realities and they have always had the main comic continuity going strong as thier main title

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